Discussion in 'CNC Machines' started by smilelavan, Dec 26, 2018.

  1. smilelavan

    smilelavan New Member

    Hello everyone

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

    What do you think is best for bars and individual abutment made of titanium or cobalt chrome.

    HAAS DT-1 or HAAS CM-1?
  2. Rigant

    Rigant Well-Known Member

    I am thinking of buying a CM1rocking...but... why DT-1??o_O the spindle has very low revolutions, only 10000 or 12000... and too much power 11kw ... to my mind, DT-1 is not for the dental sector.:confused:
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  3. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson


    I use OM-1 and OM-2 mills. LOVE THEM!!! 6 years cutting Titanium and no issues.
    Those are same thing as CM-1, but different controller

    Glidwell has some DT mills, but they have everything. I think is a wrong machine.
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  4. Rigant

    Rigant Well-Known Member

    Sorry for using this post, but I think it's interesting to ask here:
    I am between buying a CM-1, or an imesicore 650i Loader ... For me, the loader is very important.:banghead: Do you know if there is something similar system for a HAAS???

    Thx for the answer!! Vaderrrr
  5. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    A project with a few bars or 25 dont need a loader.

    That will be milling for hours and hours

    What do you want to be machining?
    Complete abutment and bars, or premilled abutments?
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  6. Rigant

    Rigant Well-Known Member

    now i`m milling Complete abutment, bars, bridges, abutment... in all connections, sw-martina, biohorizons, strauman, bonelevel, astra,branemark... but i have a low produccion, around 500 pieces per month in crco... now we would like to expand and we need other machine... for me, the loader allows me to optimize the cost of material and time, allowing me to mill without supervision at night, weekends and holidays...

    For me HAAS its the best value for money, but i think i need a loader... :banghead::banghead::banghead:
  7. padano

    padano Active Member

    Look at this video:
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  8. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson


    It will take you easy all night long to fully use all the material in a piece of Titanium man.

    20 abutments at almost 25min each is all night.

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  9. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    HAAS CM-1 and TRT-70 can add automation and robot loader.

    No problem.

    This is a line of HAAS and a robot at Glidewell...

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  10. smilelavan

    smilelavan New Member

    I think that DT-1 11KW sweeps more material despite the low RPM.
    On the other hand CM-1 will produce a smoother surface.
    The advantage of CM-1 in my opinion is also in its "smallness"
  11. smilelavan

    smilelavan New Member

    The WILLEMIN 308 was my first choice.
    I gave it up because the price is 180-250K EURO excessive cost-benefit ratio.
    And their supply times of about eight months to a year.

    In any case I had no intention of buying a "dental" machine, these machines are limited and closed, expensive and not flexible in their capabilities.
    That's why I'm considering buying HAAS.

    Scott, have you tried to milled an individual abutment from premil? And how long does it take?
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  12. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    Why use premill? I never try and I do not want to try.

    It takes same time as to machine entire abutments from a piece of titanium.


    Almost all Dental mills can be opened and modified.

    I changed all mine. KaVo, and Primacon Lava Form and Lava CNC 500.

    HAAS is great choice. Strong machine and no service required.

    No cleaning required. Just run it all day and enjoy life.
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  13. smilelavan

    smilelavan New Member

    Thanks Scott for response

    I think to make my own premill in swisstype and milling it in the Haas

    I think it will be shorten time and there is no limit of angle as there is in the block milling.

  14. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    No....its the opposite.

    We can mill angled screw channel when we machine the entire abutment and with premilled you cannot.

    Sorry, im not following you at all man.
    You are making zero sense to me.
  15. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    You add extra steps for what reason?

    I see no saving of time and you are now limited to only straight screw channels
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  16. smilelavan

    smilelavan New Member

    happy New Year

    I agree with you regarding angular screw channel.

    If you want to produce a multi unit for example, there is no other way without premill, but the PREMILL should be connected to a holder when the top off the premill at Z axis under the drill - with the trt70/110 you can mill all around 5 axis, you have full access to any part of the premill.

    most of the implant company that don't use millturn technology use 2-step methodology for all angular abutment and multi unit.
  17. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    You can machine a multi.

    Why do you think no?
  18. smilelavan

    smilelavan New Member

    did you try?

    btw, do you think that it necessary to buy 50K rpm or you do not use more than 30K rpm?
  19. Rigant

    Rigant Well-Known Member

    thx for all the info!!! Thanks!you are right, by the scalability of the investment, better a HAASrocking ... why an imes 650 loader if for 20% more I have two cm1? I think I'll have to change my way of organizing the work chain:dead::dead::dead:

    I'm sorry for my poor English:facepalm:
  20. Chris Silvoy

    Chris Silvoy Well-Known Member

    Fully equipped with trunnion and set up for 5 axis, the HAAS will cost just about the same as the 650i loader, I think.
    It's been some time since I ran through the HASS configuration tool, but I think you need to check your math.
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