Exocad compatible implant libraries.

Discussion in 'exocad' started by Soupkitchen, Mar 26, 2018.

  1. Soupkitchen

    Soupkitchen Active Member

    We are smaller lab looking to jump into all-on-x's, but a problem we keep running into is that a lot of the implant libraries for the multi-unit abutments are only available for 3shape. Can anyone point me in the right direction or provide the libraries for any of the bigger brands? Where should I look? Or should we just suck it up and get 3 shape?
     
  2. 2thm8kr

    2thm8kr ɹotɐɹʇsıuıɯqA Staff Member

    IF they must be genuine MUAs you will need to nag the company that you want the library for. If they don't need to be genuine Dess has a MUA library for exocad available. Another approach would be to scan a model with the stock MUA abutments in place and use manual positioning in the DB order setup to cut the screw channels where you want/need them.
     
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  3. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    You are designing bars?

    Or doing something with Ti base?
     
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  4. Soupkitchen

    Soupkitchen Active Member

    We are hoping to stick with genuine parts. But, for instance, we were told by a lab rep for straumann that they had the library, called the number he gave us and they said they didn't have one for exocad. Called the lab rep and he said they were wrong and he would call us back. We have run into that situation before with just ti bases and their libraries. Would pushing the point be worthwhile? Do they have the libraries and are just holding out for someone to push them on it? And I am going to look into Dess as an option, the library is available for download right on their website and it looks like they have the parts we need. Perhaps that would be the best route.
     
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  5. Joseph sakal

    Joseph sakal Well-Known Member

    Hello
    Zirconzahn has also a big library for MUA and abutments



    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
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  6. Soupkitchen

    Soupkitchen Active Member

    We are fairly new and inexperienced with these parts. We are looking to use multi unit parts for complete zirconia restoration.
     
  7. Soupkitchen

    Soupkitchen Active Member

    Looking at their options right now, thanks!
     
  8. Reesecup

    Reesecup New Member

    So, I have exocad and the implant libraries to design abutments for zimmer implants. My problem is finding somewhere to mill them that can achieve the same "friction fit" design that the name brand zimmer abutments have. I tried contacting Bellatek to have them mill them for me, but apparently 3shape paid them off so they don't work with exocad users anymore. (adding to my growing disgust of 3shape) I had Argen mill one, which was a good abutment, but it still didn't have the friction fit. I can't find anything about this in any of the forums on here or DLN, or anywhere. There is an abutment maker called Diamodent that makes stock abutments that have the friction fit, but they don't do anything digital so to use them I have to prep them manually and then spray and scan them in to design the restorations, which is tedious to say the least. Can anyone help me with this!?! I do a lot of these abutments and want to be able to design the abutment and crown together rather than burning my fingers prepping down titanium stock abutments and getting my office all dusty with scan spray. Essentially the friction fit boils down to on just one side of the hexagon attachment there is VERY tiny step up that has a rough or striated surface. It makes the fit very secure once it is torqued down and prevents the screw loosening and so forth. Please help!?
     
  9. dougola

    dougola Well-Known Member

    Zimmer abutments have a Morse taper on the engaging hex. It's more of a cold weld than anything else. I find it despicable that Zimmer/Biomet is holding its customers hostage to a particular software for design to be able to get an abutment milled by them.
     
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  10. Reesecup

    Reesecup New Member

    With all their ridiculous licensing fees and whatnot, it's no wonder 3shape has all that money to pay zimmer to lock up the production. Which only hurts them since most other folk can just turn to compatible abutments from other milling centers and not bother with Bellatek. I just have a doc that wants the abutments to have the friction fit so I'm trying like mad to find a way that doesn't involve my one-man-show laboratory giving $50k to the company that is trying to put small labs out of business. Anyway... If anybody has a solution let me know. Thanks!
     
  11. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    We machine them. $49
    As Doug said....the taper should be a nice fit, regardless of who mills it.
    I am surprised you find someones abutments loose or ??
    That should not happen.

    Hex prevents rotation and the tapered wall will seat to implant and help distribute compressive and lateral-loads. I don't think the bottom of Hex ever hits a "floor" or bottoms out on anything.

    I love the design of the Zimmer. Best One out there I think.
     
  12. Reesecup

    Reesecup New Member

    Yeah, that design is really great. When an abutment just drops right into place it's a little un-nerving knowing the only thing really holding it in place is going to be the little screw. If it was going in my mouth I'd pay extra for the Zimmer. But despite their awesome design and my willingness to pay, they just flat out locked exocad out of the picture because of whatever deal they have with 3Shape. For small labs like me, we are kind of just screwed unless DMC really has the hook up.
     
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  13. Joseph sakal

    Joseph sakal Well-Known Member

    why dont you use Tbase and SLM the rest of the job and glue it when finish . you will pay the Tbase about 35$ and 5 or 6 $f for slm element total about 41 $ and you will have the original connection of the manufaturer , friction etc ...
    you can do the same for bars , custom abutments , screwed crowns and bridges ! Telescops etc.. !
    same protocol for multi units .
     
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  14. cadfan

    cadfan Moderator Staff Member

    And you although have a battery for free in the mouth.
     
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  15. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    Good idea.
    I never seen this done in USA.

    SLM is not strong like pure CNC Titanium. It is a sloppy, rough mess in my opinion.
    We charge $399 for a bar. Grade A, Condition A Medical 6Al4V
    Nobody makes SLM bar is USA for $41.
    I think cheapest in US is close to $20 unit?
    How about try $241-$441 or more? Plus another $150 for Ti-bases?
    Is SLM accurate enough for a bar? :confused:
    (We are talking USA market, not Mexican or 3rd World standards)
     
  16. 2thm8kr

    2thm8kr ɹotɐɹʇsıuıɯqA Staff Member

    Maybe it would help keep your wrist watch charged?
     
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  17. dougola

    dougola Well-Known Member

    There's no Nickel in the SLM, so no battery issues.
     
  18. cadfan

    cadfan Moderator Staff Member


    It has nothing to do with Nickel just electropotential difference btw. 2 or more metals in a acidic environment( saliva) could be although btw. two different metal crowns.
     
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  19. Joseph sakal

    Joseph sakal Well-Known Member

    well
    i ment 6 $ per unit not for all the bar , if the bar is covering 6 elements we charge 6 times 6 $ etc.. and about the batteries charge it s true but there is no nickel in CrCo and the Ti is almost an inert metal almost dont recharge oxides !
    in EU the SLM is very popular it s true that it dosent have the accuracy of cnc but it still works fine !
     
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  20. BukakiYourMom

    BukakiYourMom BukakiMyMom

    in opposite. DSLM/SLM non-precious metals are more rigid. Alloys used for milling are sissies so that it would be easy to machine them.
     

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