Discussion in 'CAM software' started by Chris02, Jul 5, 2016.

  1. Chris02

    Chris02 Well-Known Member

    how to set a machine for the archive i have a vhf i am a new user so be gentle
  2. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    You need to set-up tool measurements in SUM3d, and strategies, and the CAD file for machine fixture (equipment), and the correct machine.arl (the post-processor)
    and some machine require additional files.

    Where did you get SUM3d from?
  3. Chris02

    Chris02 Well-Known Member

    Trial 7 days
  4. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    OK, so then who are you dealing with for that?

    CIMSystem directly? A reseller of SUM3d?

    Trial is no good without support from experienced reseller (or help direct from CIMSystem)
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  5. Chris02

    Chris02 Well-Known Member

  6. Chris02

    Chris02 Well-Known Member

    Reseller I have asked questions Bristol cad cam company where else would I get the software only advice I got it is similar to the s1 processor which means fuck all to me
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  7. cadfan

    cadfan Moderator Staff Member

    go straight via Italy or German cimsystem

    Mr Ghezzi from Germany knows the VHF well but i think Italy too. 14 days and more if needed
  8. biodentg

    biodentg Well-Known Member

    Is there anywhere a place to learn how to properly use this software to the expert level for somebody with average knowledge?
  9. Chris02

    Chris02 Well-Known Member

    Even the basics would be nice looking at other software
  10. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    There is nothing easy or cheap available to learn SUM3d.

    It requires weeks of experimenting to see results of all parameters and possible settings.

    Maybe even months! It is 10x harder to learn than CAD software.

    You need a machine, and money, and time. (and a good brain! lol)

    Impossible to figure out yourself. No way!

    Buying the software from experienced reseller, and let them set it up so you can start producing. Then, over many years you will have time to ask questions and modify if you really think you need to?
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  11. Chris02

    Chris02 Well-Known Member

    then the software is flawed I have a degree in computer sciene and my last job was with military arms construction who hired many psychologist to make sure that software was as usuable by as many people as possible. Even sum 3d are doing this by investing in millbox. Apple made a fortune by producing an icon. Iol
  12. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    Same with ALL CAM!!

    DelCam, Open Mind, all CAM software.

    You will not figure out any of them without major help.

    I am referring to full-understanding of the software from top-to-bottom.

    Actually.. just setting it up and trying to make a CNC mill do something would be impossible as well.

    You just do not know, what you do not know yet.

    If you learn the software, then you would agree with me 100%
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  13. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    There is no CAM on the planet that you just download and start milling without major training and set-up time.

    That is how the machining world works. It is very complicated!

    Sure, there are dumb-down versions with minimal clicking....and you would have no idea how or why it works.

    Just press a "GO" button.

    Is that what you want?
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  14. Chris02

    Chris02 Well-Known Member

    I agree 100% but I was taught to read at school and sums manual is very very poor.
  15. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    Well, I do agree with you on that! lol

    You should see the real manual!
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  16. ICEcad

    ICEcad Well-Known Member

    Lol........the real manual.......rofl :) ha ha ha...that need litle bit more brain....
  17. Gianmarco Caramelli

    Gianmarco Caramelli CAM Engineer Staff Member

    CAMmatter is huge... do you really want compare "apple icons" with a professional industrial software?

    The big common error is thinking just a cam user manual is enough to handle 100% a machine tool and what it can mill.

    Cam purpose is to generate a cnc file to move machine tool.. So you can learn how to use sw commands, but you manual cannot teach you how to properly mill a certain material by using a certain machine tool.. sure I'm speaking about open cam systems.
    It's just a question of experience, made day by day..

    Cam works byside a machine tool, is not an "indipendent" software. To well use it is not enough knowing cam commands;
    really good milling knowledge is strictly suggested/recommended if you wanna be a really good cam user.

    If you want learn more, I suggest to slowly going on, step by step.. periodicals training sessions and in case always asking to your reseller or directly to cam maker.
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  18. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    Time and money.

    Buy a fancy mill.....some tools.....some material.

    Buy and study everything you can find regarding machining.

    Play for a couple years and learn! Experiment. Break things!

    This is exactly what I did.

    My cost? Probably over $150,000 if I add all materials, time, machine payments, etc.....

    Two years payment for a machine, a building....electricity....hundreds and hundreds of tools wasted and nothing sold.
    All just educational. (Totally One of a Kind, custom CNC mill that I built for 5-axis Titanium machining anything. This was my mission. I had success! It was NOT easy! Would I make a manual for customers that I built mills for? Hell no! No farking way! Not for any money.)

    More than Eight years later.....I am still learning! Always.
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  19. Bruno Borges

    Bruno Borges New Member

    hi, I recentely exchanged the Hyperdent for Millbox - "sum3d". So far it mill everything but I´ve breaked 10 tools already in just a few days. With hyperdent maybe not to fast but I´ve never breaked any: In Hypedent when he calculate the tool path if it gave me an error and I can correct but with sum we calculated everything andt does not give the error so that I can solve,i s very anoyng for starters.
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2016
  20. DMC

    DMC Scott Hudson

    Why are tool breaking man? We never break tools during normal operation.

    Only when we were learning many many years ago. All tool breakage is my fault. Not SUM3d.

    You have not define the correct geometry for the tool in your tool library in SUM3d

    Your collision-detection is not working because something is not configured correctly for you, or you change something?

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